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DTRCN: hi Marcia
DAlexan451: Hello. How are you this week?
DTRCN: pretty good....working 10 hr days so stressed to the max next week
back to normal
DAlexan451: If I disappear it's because my computer cut me off and I will go
to another one. I haven't
DAlexan451: left you!
DTRCN: ok will wait and how are you?
DAlexan451: Just fine. Enjoying my last week before back to school.
DTRCN: I bet summer is just tooooo short......lol
DAlexan451: For sure!
DTRCN: we are making appts for Oct where I work and I can't even get into
summer.....grin
DAlexan451: Is anyone else joining us?
DTRCN: My other two students opted for self study...so it is us and if you
are ready we can begin
DAlexan451: Let's go.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Magnesium, and the Electrolytes-
DTRCN: Sodium, Potassium, and Chloride
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: FACT: "A Short History of the Magnesium Catastrophe
DTRCN: in the US"
DTRCN: Currently, annual American deaths from Mg deficiency are
DTRCN: between 215,000 and 869,000.
DTRCN: This is equivalent to the atomic bombings
DTRCN: of several small US cities.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: The Journal article this is from I will be sending you in an email.
DTRCN: The basic statistics are true which means there is a real
DTRCN: problem in the US with people obtaining the Mg they need
DTRCN: for optimal health.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: MAGNESIUM = Mg
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: HISTORY: In 1618 a pool of water in England was found to have
DTRCN: purgative effects on people drinking it. It was then touted as
DTRCN: a remedy and blood purifier. Finally Mg was identified as the
DTRCN: mineral giving the purgative factor to the water.
DTRCN: PROPERTIES: Mg carries a positive charge of electricity so
DTRCN: it is important to maintain electrical potential in the nerves and
DTRCN: muscle tissues in the body.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: NOTE: 60% of the Mg is found in the bone and the rest is in the
cells.
DTRCN: They believe the bone acts as a storage factor for the Mg in case the
DTRCN: body is depleted.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: FUNCTIONS: This is a small list of major functions
DTRCN: 1) Mg is involved in over 300 enzymes in the body and
DTRCN: of bodily functions.
DTRCN: 2) helps burn glucose for energy
DTRCN: 3) is required in the photosynthesis (the reaction in green plants)
DTRCN: upon which ALL life ultimately depends.
DTRCN: 4) Mg aids in nerve and muscle functions
DTRCN: 5) assist with RNA/DNA
DTRCN: 6) helps deposit Ca in the bones
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: SOURCES: Fruits, veggies, cereals, dairy products, grains.
DTRCN: but remember over 80% of Mg is lost when foods are processed.
DTRCN: ABSORPTION:
DTRCN: 1) high protein intake requires more Mg
DTRCN: 2) high Fat in the diet hinders Mg absorption
DTRCN: 3) high Ca intake hinders Mg absorption
DTRCN: 4) any type of digestive problem will hinder Mg absorption
DTRCN: 5) increased exercise causes high excretion of Mg
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: DEFICIENCY Signs or Symptoms:
DTRCN: 1) they now believe Mg deficiency is responsible for over
DTRCN: 300,000 cardiac deaths a year.
DTRCN: 2) seizures, anorexia
DTRCN: 3) neurologic problems
DTRCN: 4) memory disorientation then confusion, hallucinations
DTRCN: 5) renal disease
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: OHA & RDA = 400mg
DTRCN: the average daily intake per person is 172-260mg)
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: The Kidneys regulates Mg levels in the body
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: TOXICITY: There have been no reported toxic effects from high doses
DTRCN: of Mg unless that person was in kidney failure.
DAlexan451: If so many people are dying from this, why don't we hear more
about it?
DTRCN: very good question........several athletes' deaths within the last
few years have been
DTRCN: attributed to lack of Mg, but it is very hard as it usually looks
like heart failure.
DTRCN: The best clues are they are people in good shape, health and so they
look at everything
DAlexan451: Is it a problem for the elderly?
DTRCN: but they still don't want to accept such a big part of nutrients in
health.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Elderly as we discussed last week in D & A have many problems. And
they have not done in
DAlexan451: Is that why sport drinks are an important part of exercise and
sport activity?
DTRCN: blanket studies for this except in nursing facilities and there it is
a problem.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Well sport drinks do not have Mg in them. They mostly tout having
electrolytes and water
DTRCN: will benefit one just more as it has all the minerals.
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: I see. So, how does one make up for losses of Mg.?
DTRCN: any other questions Marcia?
DTRCN: eat a varied diet and supplement.
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: Ok.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: NOTE: the FDA funded a study on Mg based on research done by a
DTRCN: CA chemist who proved that persons drinking water with HIGH Mg
content
DTRCN: had less heart disease. The study began in 1995 and I assume is
DTRCN: ongoing as I cannot find any conclusion.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Ca/Mg are in a 2/1 ratio in the body. As high Ca can inhibit Mg
DTRCN: absorption.....high Mg can inhibit Ca so the
DTRCN: 2/1 ratio should be used if you are supplementing.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: NOTE: if Ca and Mg have a 2/1 ratio and you are increasing
DTRCN: your Ca to 1000 - 1200mg you will need to adjust your Mg to
DTRCN: 1000mg/500mg or 1200mg/600mg
DTRCN: One book suggest since they have similar functions in the body they
DTRCN: may be antagonist. The difference: Ca stimulates muscle contraction
DTRCN: while Mg stimulates muscle relaxation.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: COMMENT: "Lack of certain minerals may be the single most
DTRCN: important factor causing chronic fatigue in conditioned athletes,"
says Gabe
DTRCN: Mirkin MD he himself is a distance runner.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Minerals can be stored in the body in small amounts most must be
DTRCN: replaced daily or body stores will be depleted quickly.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: any questions about Mg Marcia
DAlexan451: No.
DTRCN: ok.
DTRCN: if you think of anything later please email me or you can IM me
online.....add me to your
DTRCN: buddy list and catch me anytime.
DAlexan451: ok
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Understanding our Kidneys in conjunction with Electrolytes
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: The Kidneys filter 500 gallons of blood a day through our bodies.
DTRCN: They are in control of maintaining the homeostasis of our
electrolytes.
DTRCN: They also: excrete toxins, regulate fluids outside the cells, and
DTRCN: regulate excretion or retention of various minerals, vitamins, etc
for body health
DTRCN: ELECTROLYTES = Potassium=K, Sodium=Na, Chlorine=Cl
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: They are separate minerals but work so closely in the body to
DTRCN: maintain balance we will discuss them together.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: "regulate fluids outside the cells?"
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Na and Cl are on the outside of the cell and K is on the inside
DTRCN: this balance is kept by the concentration of Na/Cl being the same as
K
DTRCN: therefore homeostasis. If something goes wrong K tries to come out
DTRCN: and compensate for Na/Cl leaving the cell deficient in K, NOT GOOD.
DTRCN: This can cause body fluid imbalance resulting in illness or death.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Edema is a good example if you know the term. Have you heard of it?
DAlexan451: Swelling?
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: they usually call it water retention something we women seem to excel
at....<g>
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: the body retains Na and builds up fluid due to an imbalance and the
DTRCN: fluid goes into the tissues but the main problem is when it gets
around
DAlexan451: Thus salt tablets?
DTRCN: the heart.....that can cause death by putting pressure on the heart
and
DTRCN: making it beat harder.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: actually salt tablets are used in hot humid climates where there is
excess sweating.
DAlexan451: they had them at cheerleader camp/Florida/August.
DTRCN: Usually with edema the restrict salt and sometimes add potassium/K
DTRCN: Yes, that would make sense.....also it is really important to drink
lots of fluids
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: NOTE: new studies have shown that Na restriction is inconsistent in
DTRCN: its ability to lower blood pressure (B/P is one way the kidneys
maintain
DTRCN: electrolyte balance) in some people. In Fact, approximately 30% of
DTRCN: individuals with hypertension itÆs due to their being sodium
DTRCN: sensitive.....the other 70% are not helped by Na restriction.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: POTASSIUM = K is found in the cells
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: SODIUM = Na and CHLORIDE = Cl are found in the blood plasma and
DTRCN: other outside fluids. Cl can also be found in the cellular fluid.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Cl is part of hydrochloric acid in the gastric juice in the stomach
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: NOTE: again if Na is depleted then K will be released from the cells
DTRCN: to try and compensate. When the K is depleted, death may follow
DTRCN: if intervention is not given.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: ELECTROLYTES = a solution that conducts electric current when
DTRCN: dissolved in water (H2o) they separate into "charged particles
DTRCN: (ions) and they conduct the electrical current in our bodies
DTRCN: which keeps all of our systems functioning.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: POTASSIUM = K
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: FUNCTIONS:
DTRCN: 1) functions as an electrolyte
DTRCN: 2) assist Ca with regulating neuromuscular activity
DTRCN: 3) promotes cellular growth
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: DEFICIENCY: can cause the heart to stop beating. Diuretics cause
excess excretion of K.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: PROPERTIES: K is absorbed in the small intestines and if it is
DTRCN: not needed it will be excreted by the kidneys.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: TOXICITY: If K is taken in high doses at ONE time it can also cause
DTRCN: heart failure. So if one wants to supplement take it in small
doses
DTRCN: through out the day.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: The "too much" figure is not stated but Dr. Hendler recommends
DTRCN: NOT taking more than 99mg
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: A medium banana has 630 mg of K in it
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: You could obviously OD on bananas......however the book also states
DTRCN: that most people take in up to ........1 - 2 grams a day so that
leaves
DTRCN: a high range for toxicity.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: That dose is NOT recommended
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: unless prescribed by a physician
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: SOURCES: dairy products, potatoes, fruits and veggies and meats
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: How much of the K ingested is actually absorbed?
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Again it is absorbed to the NEED with minerals........but if we talk
DTRCN: availability for absorption then we are talking possible 30 to 50%
DTRCN: of what we eat and that is for a healthy individual. I would say
most
DTRCN: absorb around 30%.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: But remember the body is does not retain minerals if there is no
need.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: questions
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: No. I need to read over this and make sure it all registers.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: I know what you mean.....that is why I try to be available. And if
you email the questions
DTRCN: we can discuss them at the first of next class.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: ready to go ahead?
DAlexan451: OK
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: SODIUM = Na
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: FUNCTIONS:
DTRCN: 1) as an electrolyte in conduction of nerve impulses
DTRCN: 2) control of muscle contraction
DTRCN: 3) controls plasma volume
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Absorption is through the intestines and excreted in the urine.
But
DTRCN: the body will absorb more Na if more is taken in and if not
DTRCN: adequately excreted then edema results. Sweating helps excrete Na.
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: My dog thinks my husband is a giant salt lick!
DTRCN: NOTE: Rarely do you see a Na deficiency. If one had a
DTRCN: Na deficiency then Cl and K would be deficient also.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: DEFICIENCY SYMPTOMS: muscle cramps, mental apathy, loss of appetite
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: SOURCES: all processed foods, salt, soy sauce
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: TOXICITY: in some who are "salt sensitive" hypertension, edema
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: CHLORIDE = Cl
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: PROPERTIES: Cl comes from table salt as sodium chloride.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: FUNCTIONS:
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: 1) works with Na to maintain water balance of our body system
DTRCN: which is necessary for life.
DTRCN: 2) formation of stomach acid HcL
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: ABSORPTION: Cl is absorbed in the intestines and excreted
DTRCN: in sweat and thru the kidneys
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: DEFICIENCY SIGNS: loss of appetite, muscle weakness, lethargy.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: There is NO RDA of Cl or Na due to the fact most people
DTRCN: get sufficient amounts and usually too much.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Electrolyte deficiencies are usually caused by: Diuretics, alcohol,
DTRCN: caffeine, heavy exercise/sweating, digestive flu, intestinal
problems,
DTRCN: vomiting, diarrhea, fasting or any high loss of body fluids such as
blood,
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: any comments or questions Marcia?
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: hi see you are back.........grin
DAlexan451: Sorry, computer cut me off.
DTRCN: does that happen often?
DAlexan451: No, I was trying to use another one on our network so my husband
could work! Not a good ide
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: yep, networking is tricky stuff
DAlexan451: Functions of Cl??You were saying?
DTRCN: ok if you did not get it......it will be in the library for download
as I did not realize I
DTRCN: had lost you.
DTRCN: to much into getting the info on screen.
DTRCN: sorry
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: that's ok
DTRCN: were you able to download last weeks.
DAlexan451: Yes. I got it.
DTRCN: great if ready we will go on with Iodine
DAlexan451: Is thirst a sign that ones sodius if off?
DTRCN: not that I know of that is usually a symptom of diabetes.
DAlexan451: ok
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: IODINE = I
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: NOTE: 70 to 80% of all iodine in the body is in the Thyroidgland
located in the neck.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Iodine must be available for the thyroid gland to execute it's
functions
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: FUNCTIONS:
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: 1) Metabolism of ALL energy nutrients
DTRCN: 2) assist with physical and mental growth
DTRCN: 3) iodine is needed for the Thyroid to produce it's regulating
hormones
DTRCN: even a minor deficiency can cause enlargement of the thyroid gland.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Energy nutrients?
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: These include the B vitamins, and Mg plus all other nutrients that
DTRCN: help the conversion of nutrients to energy in the body.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: While there is almost NO deficiency shown by blood work from lab
DTRCN: results, deficiencies still exist and the symptoms are as follows:
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: 1) Myxedema = large saggy bags under the eyes
DTRCN: 2) thickened nose and swollen lips
DTRCN: 3) in children "I" def. results in cretinism(stunted growth) and
mental
DTRCN: retardation
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: With the advent of "iodized" salt thyroid deficiencies were almost
DAlexan451: Kawinis Clubs have a program to help 3rd. world countries get
iodine into their diet.
DTRCN: wiped out in areas not along the coast or with deprived iodine soil.
DAlexan451: The Goiter Belt
DTRCN: right
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: But due to the new trend of "low salt" diets iodine def. is making a
comeback
DTRCN: SOURCES high in Iodine are of course.........sea food and sea weed.
DTRCN: Since coastal lands are also high in iodine food grown in those areas
DTRCN: are also good. As we tell everyone to cut back on their salt we
need to
DTRCN: remind them to replace their Iodine by eating seafood or produce
DTRCN: grown in enriched iodine soil. Or make sure it is in their
supplement.
DTRCN: I would encourage you all to add fish (ocean) to your diet
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: My dad told me once (Detroit) that all his school teachers had
goiters! He was born in 03
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: that does not surprise me........if you weren't on a farm in those
days Iodine
DTRCN: def was quite easy to have.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: OHA & RDA = 150mcg
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: 1000 micrograms = 1 milligram and 1000mg = 1 gram
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: One note I have personally seen within the last few years 6 cases of
idoine def.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: Do Cl or I have a toxicity?
DTRCN: Cl probably would if in supplemental form but as far as I know you
DTRCN: cannot even get it alone. But if you use too much Na then the Cl
goes
DTRCN: with it. Therefore it would play a part in edema and hypertension
as a
DTRCN: toxicity problem.
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: Does the thyroid get bigger because it is trying to obtain
iodine?
DTRCN: The side effect of too much Iodine is acne in certain people
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: That makes sense but I really am not sure of the exact reason. Will
look it up and see what
DTRCN: I can find
DTRCN: /
DAlexan451: OK
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: The side effect of too much Iodine is acne in certain people
DTRCN: but that was 20mg milligrams a day. So it is possible but not
probable.
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: That is basically it for this evening.....I will be sending you some
emails with info for
DAlexan451: What kind of salt do they use on snack foods?
DTRCN: discussion in next class
DTRCN: .
DTRCN: just regular table salt unless it specifies sea salt or something
else.
DAlexan451: What, no homework?
DTRCN: but as with sugar....salt is salt. I don't think the body can
differeniate.
DTRCN: well this reading will be the homework......lol
DAlexan451: That's fine with me! Goodnight and thanks
DTRCN: I want to discuss the Validity of Articles you read or hear.
DTRCN: ok and have a great week Marcia
DTRCN: .
DAlexan451: Thanks
DTRCN: welcome